Ban Them All: Alex Jones – Episode Transcript
Hello, everyone. Welcome – once again – to Drinking From Human Skulls. My name is Doni Cordoni. We’re back again for a very professional podcast. And today we’re going to talk about a very controversial figure and free speech and all of the related elements.
And I’m referring to, if you read the show notes, of course, Alex Jones. Who – and I just have to make this clear right off the get-go – I am not an Alex Jones fan. I think his ideas are nutty. To say the least.
And I should also be clear. I do find him to be hilarious from time to time because some of the ideas are just so wild and wacky that they get me. They just take me to that wild and wacky place in my brain. I find that funny. I like things that are wild and wacky.
I have to just make something clear as well. I wasn’t going to record this today… my wife gave me a bunch of extra little jobs to do, I hate it when she does that, and I thought, ah, now I’m too angry to podcasts, but then I thought… oh, well, hold on: let me channel the fury.
And that’s what you’re getting. You’re getting a little bit of extra fury today, so we’ll see how it turns out. I’m talking about Alex Jones. He’s amped up all the time. I guess his wife has given them a bunch of tasks to do all the time. And now I’m in that headspace. So fitting to be talking about Alex Jones while I’m in a bit of an Alex Jones state of mind.
Ban them all 🔇
So before we get into Alex, just a heads up. Obviously, if you’re listening to this, you might be thinking well, hmmm isn’t the bigger story Donald Trump getting banned from all the things? Well, yeah, that is the bigger story, but I recorded this before that happened and I never could have imagined it would have taken such a turn.
So just keep that in mind. But this is still valuable. I think this might be a series, perhaps Ban Them All could be the title. So I want to get into it today because I think everyone’s kind of lost their mind and is not really thinking about this guy correctly. And I’m going to get into a bunch of it.
The thing is with Jones, is that for better or worse, he’s become a symbol of free speech and how it ain’t so free anymore. Timestamp it – it’s the end of 2020. And earlier this year he was basically canceled, banned, de-platformed – whatever you want to call it – by all the major social media platforms.
Like we’re talking Facebook, Twitter, YouTube, even Spotify is in the mix, banning him. And this all happened within 12 hours. So to me, that spells collusion of the highest order and that ain’t no good because these social media companies are supposed to be unbiased platforms and they’re now kind of becoming curators of content, more or less. They define what shows up at the top of your feeds, et cetera.
Banned, but not silenced 🔊
And so it’s kind of not really unbiased anymore. And, you know, the banning of Alex Jones was one example of that. But the reason I’m talking about Alex today is that somehow he’s actually aligned himself with Donald Trump. Now he’s been a Trump supporter, I guess, for the longest time, but now he’s speaking at rallies in a somewhat more official capacity.
He was often at his rallies, like maybe on the outskirts with a megaphone kind of yelling stuff about the pedophiles! And the globalists! But now he’s actually speaking at rallies. So, you know, of course, these rallies right now are taking place, timestamp it, at the end of 2020, because there’s some dispute over the election and the results of the election.
But I wanted to play something for you. I wanted to play him speaking at this rally because I think it’s so funny. It’s so hilarious. And let’s remember that he’s already been canceled and de-platformed. And yet people are calling for him now to be arrested.
The de-platforming was not enough. Now he needs to be arrested because he said something bad about President-elect Joe Biden. And of course, the president is protected by some extra free speech laws…? I don’t know exactly. We’ll talk about that after. Now let’s play the clip of Alex Jones… speaking truth to power, you tell me what you think. Take a drink of this:
Say what Alex? 🧐
Wow. I mean, honestly, I’m finding it hard to… Find anything wrong with that statement! Oh my gosh. “We will never back down from the globalist satanic pedophile new world order!”
I mean, listen, this term globalist I think it’s been kind of maligned and turned into a dog whistle for anyone who just is against the establishment. I think if we were all on the same team, like every country, that would be better, but we’ll talk about globalism later.
But then he calls Joe Biden, the walking dead reanimated corpse. I mean, come on. It’s just too funny. Oh my gosh. I mean, it’s hilarious. He is super old and he acts his age. Like, honestly, my grandmother is five years older than him. She’s way more lucid. And I don’t know why he’s doing the, like the most important job in the world, basically leading the economy of the world.
If I cherry-pick some things that Alex Jones says that are kind of interesting: four years investigation of Russian collusion, and there was no evidence found. And again, I’m not a Trump supporter. I’m not an Alex Jones fan, but that’s the truth. And then he goes on to say, “with the Bidens it’s open and shut”, and that’s also the truth. It’s a super truth here, guys.
Listen, let’s just say Joe Biden’s on involved… but he did fly a Hunter Biden to China on Air Force 2, which is kind of a wicked big deal. But let’s just say he’s not involved in the business dealings at all, give him the benefit of the doubt…
Here’s the deal: if my son does something whack – like my own son, and I have a son – and if he grows up and does something whack… that is for me to own completely because it’s my failure as a father to steer him down the right path. Don’t give me this bullshit like they always try to say, “Oh, it’s Hunter Biden. It’s not Joe Biden.”
Threats of violence? 🗡️
You can’t excuse Joe Biden. He’s evil. His son is evil. The case is open and shut just like Alex says. Now they want to arrest Alex Jones, but they want to arrest him for something he says which is a little more egregious. What did he say? Let me just play that again:
Okay, so he calls him a globalist again, and then he says he’ll be removed one way or another. Now it’s kind of a vague statement. Alex Jones doesn’t say “I’m going to kill him”. He doesn’t say “I’m” going to remove him. He doesn’t say “I’m” going to, he doesn’t say “we” are going to remove him. He says he will be removed one way or another.
…he kind of takes the pronoun out. Makes it an indirect statement. I mean, honestly, it’s a tactic that Alex Jones uses. I don’t think that would stand up legally in any kind of court. The court of public opinion has already spoken on Twitter, there are hundreds of people calling for his arrest.
I guess he threatens Joe Biden’s life, as we said. And apparently, the thing is that threats against the president’s life are considered protected speech and are therefore punishable by law, I guess? Well, I got to tell you one thing.
You mean to tell me that the hoard of Trump-hating, orange man bad fools who make daily threats against the president’s life on Twitter and never see a ban. Are you kidding me? Alex Jones says something that is not even a direct threat at a rally and there are these people who are threatening Donald Trump every single day since he got elected. Come on.
Why does the left demand censorship? 🙈
I don’t know why there’s this trend towards censorship and I’m actually not sure what the problem is. Is it that people have become weaker? They’re unable to deal with contrary points of view? They’re unable to ingest something and say, “well, that’s just silly” and move on with their life? Is that what’s going on?
Or is it that perhaps Alex Jones, his audience has grown to a sizable amount and therefore he has more influence and therefore his ideas spread more and therefore the more dangerous? Is that why the people seem to think it needs to be censored?
From my experience, and this is like maybe 15 years ago now, I had a job – I worked with a guy named Craig – great guy. He would listen to Alex Jones. I didn’t think Craig was a loser. He would just listen to Alex Jones in the office openly.
But anyway, that’s how I first learned about Alex Jones. And then after listening to him speak a bunch of times, I immediately just figured out that he is – certainly – he’s an off the deep-end kind of guy. He’s kind of this controversial figure… the thing is, he’s always been that, but he’s only being censored recently and being de-platformed this year.
I just want to say straight off, this is why he can’t fuck with free speech. I know we don’t always like things that people say, but you can’t cancel them, and here’s why: number one, people should be able to tell a good idea from a bad idea. That is actually a skill.
Okay, so you should be able to critically think about things you hear and go, “well that’s just silly” and just disregard it. People who get sucked into the Alex Jones and the QAnon world are people who clearly don’t have critical thinking skills – I’m sorry to say.
There may be a bunch of globalists out there and George Soros and whatever – pedophiles, pizza gate – whatever it may be happening, but there’s no proof.
Censorship kills critical thinking 🧠
Nevertheless, people need to have critical thinking ability.
And if we just say, “censor those with bad ideas”, then they’re not developing that critical thinking. They’re being sheltered. “Don’t let me see any bad thoughts and any bad things. I don’t want to see them. I want to live in a perfect world.”
Well, you know what? The world ain’t perfect. And so part of being able to make it better is being able to identify bad thoughts and then not let them affect you. And then perhaps counter them or whatever you want to do.
So that’s reason number one. Reason number two: why you can’t fuck with free speech is because people right now, they’re just basically censoring themselves because they don’t want to be canceled as well.
One of the things I want to do in this show is I want to actually interview people who have been canceled. You know, high profile people eventually, of course, but even people who are like, “no, I don’t want to wear a mask at Walmart” and they get that video thrown up and they get fired from their job.
To me, that’s reprehensible. Okay – you’re going to film somebody who’s having a bad day and then fire them? Because they said a couple of bad words or they just didn’t want to wear a mask, whatever that’s fucked up. Okay.
So this is a real problem because people are just always censoring themselves. They’re always just saying, “okay, well, should I say that? I mean, this is what I think, but should I put it out there?”
Let’s say I have a bad idea and I put it out there. And I get canceled for it. Well, now I’m not going to put any of my ideas out there. I’m just gonna be totally stifled. And the thing is if we put a bad idea there, we should just be met with people saying, “Hey there hold on. That’s a bad idea. And here’s why”. And then maybe you learn.
So by throttling free speech, you’re taking away people’s ability to learn and grow. And by the way, that’s the thing that happens over the course of your life. You’re not born a pristine, wonderful human being. Nobody is. You have to learn and there’s learning that takes place over the course of your entire life.
And that doesn’t stop on social media – or at least it shouldn’t – if this truly is an open and free platform – which it isn’t, by the way.
Self-censorship kills discussion 👁️🗨️
So rule number one people need to be able to tell good ideas from the bad. And rule number two we shouldn’t have an environment where you fear cancellation. And if you’re self-censoring as well, I think what happens is that people just kind of go insular and they just don’t say what they want to say.
They just align with whatever narrative is going to be socially reinforced. And that’s not always the best narrative, because right now what we saw is we saw censoring of valid information on Twitter and Facebook about this Hunter Biden quote-unquote “leak”, which was one hundred percent valid.
And they censored that and anyone who basically put that out there was censored. And if you believed that, you were a loony person. And so now people are just unable to think critically, and they’re unable to do anything because they’re being censored. So this is not good. This is in fact not free speech.
And basically, we’re going into doublespeak 1984 Orwellian times – right now. And maybe five years ago, people will be like, “oh, hohoho, look: George Orwell is rolling in his grave”. They would make that reference half-jokingly because it’s kind of like, not really, exactly as bad as 1984.
Now? I don’t think we can say the same thing. It is probably just as bad as 1984. We’re going to get our chocolate rations pretty soon. We’re going to be writing in our secret notebooks, hidden from view. Everything’s gonna be on camera in our little domiciles.
If you haven’t read 1984, go ahead and read it. Because it’s required reading.
So… oh gosh you know, this kind of stuff gets me really riled up because I actually talked to my wife about this. I said, “do you think that this guy should be canceled? This Alex Jones Guy?” I gave her all the bad things that he did. And I told her this is what free speech is.
And she said, “yes, I think this guy should be removed, and he should be censored”. So, my wife doesn’t quite get it. Believe me, I understand the impulse. We’ll go through some of the stuff that Alex Jones has put out there recently that is kind of a little bit wild wacky – that’s got him in trouble specifically.
We’ll talk about the pizza gate stuff, which is wild and wacky if you ask me. And then also we’ll talk about the Sandy hook denial, which happened many years ago, but sort of was the main thing that got him canceled.
But before we get into that, I just want to say one thing is you actually can’t silence a figure like Alex Jones anyway. Since he’s been de-platformed, he’s been a guest on huge podcasts. Specifically the likes of Joe Rogan, of course, the biggest podcast in the world.
And Tim Pool who’s like one of the biggest YouTubers doing news commentary and he’s got his own podcast called the IRL podcast. But if you follow Joe Rogan, he actually put his entire back catalog on Spotify for some insane amount of money and he doesn’t do ads anymore. It’s just all on Spotify.
One thing that they pointed out is that they didn’t import the past Alex Jones episodes, which I found to be quite curious. And there were some protests against Joe Rogan by angry Spotify staff members…
This is part of the problem. They’re saying, “Hey, you can’t put joe Rogan on because he puts people like Alex Jones on his podcast”. And they’re protesting that and saying, “we’re going to quit. If you don’t take Joe Rogan’s podcasts down or take these episodes down” – you know what quit.
Anyways, they didn’t import those Alex Jones episodes. And Joe Rogan has said on his podcast, he can’t get a straight answer from Spotify… which I’m sorry, I don’t really believe that necessarily. But he had Alex Jones on as a guest a couple of times, I think, since exclusively moving to Spotify.
You can’t silence Alex Jones 🍕
My point is you can’t really silence a guy like Alex Jones, because when you silence him, he becomes a bigger “get” as a podcast guest. And so, he’ll grow his audience on different platforms, which he has. Specifically, I think Parler is one.
I don’t know if they are pandering to the right – or – if the right is just being forced to congregate there. Because Twitter is a place that’s just rife with censorship… and Facebook as well.
But when Alex Jones went on Tim pool’s podcast – Tim Pool a YouTube guy who puts all of his stuff on YouTube as well – and he did an episode with Alex Jones and another guy named Michael Malice. And it was taken off. They took it off.
And Tim Pool actually recently did another episode with Alex Jones and with Michael Malice again… and this one they didn’t take down…
So anyways in fairness, I want to play some clips from various places where Alex Jones has been clearly wrong. So I want to be clear: I’m not pro Alex Jones, I’m pro-free speech.
And there’s probably some limits. I just don’t know what the limits are. I just know that every time you put a limit on something like that, it creates a rabbit hole. So anyway, let’s look at a couple of these clips.
The first one’s with a guy, a rapper, you might know him: his name is T.I. He’s trying to nail Alex Jones – he does nail him on pizza gate. Anyway, take a drink of this:
So T.I. is basically kind of forcing Alex to run through his ludicrous theories on pizza gate.
You know, I haven’t really dissected pizza gate – full disclosure – to the nth degree, by all accounts, there were some weird paintings there. John Podesta had meals there. There was mention of this restaurant in some email leaks from Hillary Clinton, et cetera. You know, the Clintons are connected to Epstein. It’s all kind of a little weird, I guess.
But let’s listen to a clip of Alex Jones, responding to interrogation in a deposition about his comments on Sandy Hook over the years. And it really has been years where he’s making these comments.
And by the way, for those of you who are not familiar Alex Jones put the theory out there that he thought there were abnormalities in the media presentation of the events to the point where he said that he thought the event was fake. He thought there was no shooting. He thought it was just a news story to drum up terror… and that obviously is not true.
So here’s the deposition asking Alex a very plain question:
So even in backtracking and walking back his thoughts on the event, he still points out that there are anomalies and he’s clearly an un-tethered individual. He just can’t speak plainly about these events.
Even in a deposition where his financial livelihoods on the line and where freedom is on the line…
He still can’t just plainly say, “you know what – I realized, I made a mistake and that isn’t the truth”… it’s almost as if he’s performing for an audience that he knows exists while in the deposition.
So he’s a very slippery individual. But we have to, again, not censor that just recognize the slippery nature of his verbiage.
Banning will backfire 🤭
So listen, here’s the deal. You know, canceling, silencing Alex Jones, it kind of has a backfire effect because I don’t think he was getting a lot of new audience members on Twitter, Facebook, YouTube, et cetera. I think he was pretty much preaching to his own choir.
But when you kind of make him a little more of an interesting guest by silencing him, canceling him, and he goes on Joe Rogan, he goes on Tim Pool. He gets a lot of people who are like, “oh, this guy sounds reasonable”. And it’s pretty much clear to me that when he goes on these podcasts, he kind of tethers himself.
And if you compare his guest spots on other podcasts to his actual Info Wars show. He keeps it a lot more grounded in reality when he’s a guest and when he is on his own show, he ramps it up 10 times, at least.
So that’s why it doesn’t work. You can’t silence him anyway. So you’re nerfing people, you’re restricting their ability to grow, and you’re also having the inverse effect that you want, which is to get this guy to kind of come in line with reality.
He’s just preaching to a growing audience of people who are more and more disaffected, because what happens when you censor people is their followers are like, “well, everything on this platform is bullshit. Everything on Facebook, everything on Twitter is bullshit. Now everything from Google in the mainstream media is bullshit.”
And so you’re radicalizing them more. Do you see? That’s the adverse effect? That’s not what you want. You’re creating an even bigger conspiracy bubble.
It seems to me on the left, you have the sort of Orwellian, fall-in-line, if you don’t believe the main narrative you’re a cuckoo, nutty nut… and on the right, you have the cuckoo nutty nuts who believe in flat-earth and this and that.
And it seems like the way that the left operates – in that sort of, you must agree to the narrative way – it pushes people into the right and into grasping at these conspiracy theories and just different wild notions.
They believe in a lot of wild wacky stuff. But I think that they are created because they see instances of lies on the left and they just say, “I’m going to reject this. Fuck this stuff. I’m going over here where I can talk to people who reinforce my wild ideas” and this becomes an echo chamber.
So when you silence these people, you effectively create echo chambers of bad ideas. You know, on the left, you have people who are just not questioning anything. Because if you question you’re an asshole or you’re not empathetic or you’re a Nazi, I guess, as they say.
And on the right, if you don’t question: you’re an idiot, you’re a cuck, you’re a liberal fool. And Donald Trump is equal to Jesus Christ. So both sides are obviously insane in their own special little way. And that’s a problem. That’s a big problem, you know?
What’s the solution?
Alex Jones is one thing, but how do we solve this problem of cancel culture, free speech, censoring de-platforming. Now they’re censoring Donald Trump’s tweets, for example, they’ll censor other people’s tweets.
And they’ll say, this is not true, or they’ll delete it altogether, or there’s something called shadow banning, which is like, you don’t even know that you’re being censored. This is not good. This is terrible. And let’s also not forget that these platforms, Facebook, Twitter, YouTube: are for profit. Follow the money, follow the money.
And that’s just what it is. Either this platform is a free and open platform or it’s not, I honestly think it’s not because it’s a for-profit platform, the board of directors on these companies, the Zucker Nerds… okay… and the other guy, Jack Dorsey of Twitter: they answer to a board of directors and investors.
Their job is to make that money number go up and that’s all. Now they may have other nefarious stuff that they want to do and control people – who knows? But at the end of the day, follow the money. They want the money to go bigger. So what do you do?
I mean, right now we saw an election that was basically flipped directly by social media. Now it’s interesting because Donald Trump and Roger Stone and his election team in 2016, leaned into some weird stuff that was happening on social media.
For example, the fake news stuff that was tickling the ears of a lot of right-leaning people, they would create videos like, you know, lock her up, stuff that would exist and be targeted to people against Hillary Clinton and would only be targeted to people who are on the right and would vote for Trump.
So they manipulated social media in 2016, very well to get votes, but it wasn’t like social media was trying to get Trump elected. They just were kind of a little slow on the uptick. This time, in the 2020 election, social media was an active player in preventing the spread of information.
And they just said it was disinformation, which is a total lie, as well as censoring. Not only was it a total lie, but they were just saying “we’re going to just remove this”. For example, the New York post, the original article, of revelations about Hunter Biden’s laptop that was acquired…
Revelations that have all come to light. And now in December 2020, it has been proven that Hunter Biden has been under federal investigation for the last two years. So Facebook and Twitter said, if you share this information, you’ll be banned. In fact, they literally banned the New York Post’s Twitter accounts. And then Jack Dorsey said, “oh no, that was a technicality” or some bullshit.
…that was a technicality – come on – restore it instantly. You’re not bound by the system infrastructure. You can flip a switch and restore anyone at will. That’s how it works. We’re not stupid! Give me a break.
They censored directly. And in my mind, that’s so much worse than what Donald Trump did in 2016 was just basically just leaned into an audience and sort of pander to them with the intelligent use of targeted ads.
I work in marketing. Now if I was running for president, what I do that kind of stuff? No, it’s nefarious. But the thing is he didn’t cheat. And I really think that social media was cheating – absolutely cheating – on behalf of Joe Biden in this last election. And we’ll just have to remain vigilant on that I guess.
I don’t know what we do because honestly, these platforms are so huge now, and it’s a worldwide thing. They need to be cleaned up. And I don’t know what the solution is because I guess they have to become government-run. But then at the same time, you see all sorts of abnormalities in the government to channel Alex Jones.
You see tons of abnormalities in the way that these different government institutions run, not only in the United States and Canada, and certainly in other countries. You see tons of abnormalities and not a lot of people on the same page in how they operate. And then of course we have different interventions from other people of other countries who may or may not be nefarious.
So, what is the solution? Actually, I really don’t know. I’m hoping that this conversation can continue to evolve. But I do know that if you censor people like Alex Jones, it’s not going to go like you want. I mean, he’s on the loose now. His ideas can reach wild, new Heights.
He’s a more lucrative podcast guest because people are now like, “oh, there’s the guy who’s been canceled. Let’s see what he’s up to”. Whereas before there was just kind of like “Alex Jones, whatever”, not really paying attention. People are now interested in what he has to say.
I am listening to every podcast that he guests on. I want to hear what this guy has to say now in light of his censorship. So effectively you’re increasing his audience by censoring him.
I guess I just don’t know why we can’t live in a world where Alex Jones is rightfully countered for his silly ideas and simply, those ideas can be put on display for everyone to see…
I also think this is how people get radicalized. When you censor, when you de-platform, it’s like a little whisper to say, “Hey, that’s the stuff you might want to check into”. A certain percentage of people are going to go check out his back catalog that wouldn’t have otherwise done that and be radicalized in a sense.
And there are all sorts of examples of hypocrisy here. I mean, there’s The Ayatollah of Iran, for example, if you translate his tweets, he’s calling for people to be lynched. It’s like he’s calling for death to infidels – no exaggeration.
You’re going to ban Alex Jones for putting out silly theories and like little nonsense things? Fabrications and Q Anon dog whistles? And you’re going to let the Ayatollah basically call for the death of all the infidels?
It’s not consistent. And I guess maybe they’re hyper-focused on the American market because that’s where probably the majority of the employees are from, but it’s a really tough question, and we’ve got to get to the bottom of it. And those are just some thoughts.
Alright… so… we’ll probably talk about Alex Jones again. I don’t think that the story is finished on him. And I certainly don’t think the story is finished on censorship, cancellation, de-platforming banning, that kind of stuff. And like I said, in the future, I really want to talk to these people who have been canceled, not only the high profile people but people who have been canceled in general.
I want to get their perspective because they’re canceled, and they just lose their job – and their life is… either it’s over, or they’ve been taken down a serious peg. And a lot of people, especially during these quarantine times, are holding onto a job. A lot of people don’t have a wide range of skills and they need that job to survive and to support their family.
And by canceling them and getting your little social justice virtue signaling points, you’ve effectively ruin someone’s life. And I just don’t understand the kind of person who wants to film someone and put it online and cancel them. That is the worst kind of person to me.
And we’re going to talk about filming people and posting that online because honestly that’s been on an uptake lately and I think it’s the worst possible thing. If I’m ever in a conflict with someone, it never occurs to me to take my fucking phone out and start filming them.
If someone says something racist, if someone says something crazy, deal with them directly, okay? Let it be known. If you take your phone out and film something, you’re doing a bitch move.
And these people who film fights and film conflicts that they’re not even involved in. And we’re going to talk about the notion of filming people a little bit later. I don’t know if I can do a whole episode on that, but that gets me hot and bothered – big time.
So that’s about all I can conjure up on Alex Jones. He’s a figure I’m sure will return. Timestamp it – it is now December 2020, the end of a wild year. Please do visit my website it is www.drinkingfromhumanskulls.com – all one word, no dash, no hyphen. Check it out, subscribe to this podcast, wherever you can get it.
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And I understand why people are being pushed to these fringes. And I’m not saying that I’m the King of all wisdom, but I do recognize that tribalism and teams and these fringe ideologies are emerging…
Antifa on the left and all these conspiracy theorists on the right and just tons of bad ideas. So I think it’s necessary. You know, we have figures who are trying to do the same thing to varying degrees of success.
And I’m just trying to be another voice in that spectrum to help people think clearly… get another point of view… Okay? Alright. So that’s it for the episode today. Thank you for coming. This has been another episode of the Drinking From Human Skulls, a professional podcast. Thank you. And have a good day.